About Kevin Lindsay

Kevin Lindsay is a 25+ year Silicon Valley software product strategist and marketer, who developed a passion for systems thinking and cybernetics while he was a graduate student in transformative leadership at the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS). Kevin is interested in complexity and paradox, and the power of systems thinking to help us understand and tackle the big messes humanity created and is now dealing with. Kevin has been an NBN host since July 2020.
"What is the pattern that connects the crab to the lobster and the primrose to the orchid, and all of them to me, and me to you?" - Gregory Bateson

NBN Episodes hosted by Kevin:

Pete Barbrook-Johnson and Alexandra S. Penn, "Systems Mapping: How to Build and Use Causal Models of Systems" (Palgrave MacMillan, 2022)

January 20, 2024

Systems Mapping

Pete Barbrook-Johnson and Alexandra S. Penn
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

There is a growing need across social, environmental, and policy challenges for richer, more nuanced, yet actionable and participatory understanding o…

Anthony Hodgson, "Ready for Anything: Designing Resilience for a Transforming World" (Triarchy Press, 2011)

November 3, 2023

Ready for Anything

Anthony Hodgson
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

Recently I had a chance to sit down for a long overdue chat with Anthony (Tony) Hodgson. When we last spoke it happened to be for my very first episod…

Peter Jones and Kristel van Ael, "Design Journeys Through Complex Systems" (Bis Publishers, 2022)

January 29, 2023

Design Journeys Through Complex Systems

Peter Jones and Kristel van Ael
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

As I slowly settle into 2023 — reflecting on the blur that was 2022 — I can’t help but think about the complex problems (aka big messes!) we face at e…

Frank Uit de Weerd and Marita Fridjhon, "Systems Inspired Leadership" (CRR Global, 2021)

September 12, 2022

Systems Inspired Leadership

Frank Uit de Weerd and Marita Fridjhon
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

Listeners who have tuned in to my most recent episodes here on Systems and Cybernetics will be familiar with what seems be a current running theme…

David Ehrlichman, "Impact Networks: Creating Connection, Sparking Collaboration, and Catalyzing Systemic Change" (Berrett-Koehler, 2021)

August 17, 2022

Impact Networks

David Ehrlichman
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

I recently caught up with the very busy David Erlichman, co-founder and coordinator of the Converge network (www.converge.net), about his fantastic bo…

Carol Sanford, "Indirect Work: A Regenerative Change Theory for Businesses, Communities, Institutions and Humans" (Interoctave, 2022)

July 25, 2022

Indirect Work

Carol Sanford
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

I recently got a chance to talk to Carol Sanford about her newest book Indirect Work: A Regenerative Change Theory for Businesses, Communities, Instit…

Lene Andersen, "Metamodernity: Meaning and Hope in a Complex World" (Nordic Bildung, 2019)

April 1, 2022

Metamodernity

Lene Andersen
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

So what is metamodernity you may ask, and what does it have to do with systems thinking and cybernetics? Well, I recently had a chance to find out for…

Sean Kelly, "Becoming Gaia: On the Threshold of Planetary Initiation" (Integral Imprint, 2020)

February 28, 2022

Becoming Gaia

Sean Kelly
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

In this episode I had the pleasure of speaking with Sean Kelly, professor of Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness at the California Institute of I…

Fritjof Capra, "Patterns of Connection: Essential Essays from Five Decades" (High Road Books, 2021)

February 8, 2022

Patterns of Connection

Fritjof Capra
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

Welcome to the first Systems and Cybernetics episode of 2022! After a short break over the holidays to rest and spend time with family (and, of course…

Jeremy Lent, "The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find our Place in the Universe" (New Society, 2021)

December 14, 2021

The Web of Meaning

Jeremy Lent
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

In this episode of Systems and Cybernetics I had the pleasure of spending an hour with Jeremy Lent, talking with him about his newest book The Web of …

Josep M. Coll, "Buddhist and Taoist Systems Thinking: The Natural Path to Sustainable Transformation" (Routledge, 2021)

November 19, 2021

Buddhist and Taoist Systems Thinking

Josep M. Coll
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

I recently sat down with Josep M. Coll to discuss his new book Buddhist and Taoist Systems Thinking: The Natural Path to Sustainable Transformation (R…

Vanilla Beer and Allenna Leonard, "Stafford Beer: the Father of Management Cybernetics" (2019)

September 27, 2021

Stafford Beer

Vanilla Beer and Allenna Leonard
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

In this episode I am in conversation with artist and author Vanilla Beer about her 2019 book Stafford Beer: The Father of Management Cybernetics. Whil…

Magnus Ramage and Karen Shipp, "Systems Thinkers" (Springer, 2020)

September 1, 2021

Systems Thinkers

Magnus Ramage and Karen Shipp
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

In this episode I spoke with Magnus Ramage, co-author of Systems Thinkers (Springer, 2020). This second edition provides an update to Ramage’s and co-…

Martin Reynolds and Sue Holwell, "Systems Approaches to Making Change: A Practical Guide" (Springer, 2020)

July 27, 2021

Systems Approaches to Making Change: A Practical Guide

Martin Reynolds and Sue Holwell
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

Practitioners from all professional domains are increasingly confronted with incidences of systemic failure, yet poorly equipped with appropriate tool…

Tyson Yunkaporta, "Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World" (HarperOne, 2021)

June 17, 2021

Sand Talk

Tyson Yunkaporta
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

Although it is not described as such anywhere in the book, Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World (HarperOne, 2021) is indeed a systems…

Jóse-Rodriguo Córdoba-Pachón, "Managing Creativity: A Systems Thinking Journey" (Routledge, 2018)

March 22, 2021

Managing Creativity

José-Rodrigo Córdoba-Pachón
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

For over a century, creativity has unfolded as a valuable field of knowledge. Emerging from disciplines like psychology, management and education, the…

Ray Ison and Ed Straw, "The Hidden Power of Systems Thinking: Governance in a Climate Emergency" (Routledge, 2020)

February 8, 2021

The Hidden Power of Systems Thinking

Ray Ison and Ed Straw
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

The Hidden Power of Systems Thinking: Governance in Climate Emergency (Routledge, 2020) is a persuasive, lively book that shows how systems thinking c…

Nora Bateson. "Small Arcs of Larger Circles: Framing Through Other Patterns" (Triarchy Press, 2016)

December 16, 2020

Small Arcs of Larger Circles

Nora Bateson
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

“To be a participant in a complex system is to desire to be both lost and found in the interrelationships between people, nature and ideas.” Nora Bat…

Anthony Hodgson, "Systems Thinking for a Turbulent World" (Part 2) (Routledge, 2020)

November 4, 2020

Systems Thinking for a Turbulent World

Anthony Hodgson
Hosted by Kevin Lindsay

This is the second episode of a two-part conversation with Hodgson, and in it we pick up our conversation on anticipatory systems and the role they pl…